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Emanuel Goldstein

Sure he used a lot of material from the plaintiffs.

He agree with them, so what/

But the point is that any law student could do the same thing, and crank out that opinion. He wouldn't even have to be a great scholar to do it.

I have met great scholar.

I met Judge Jones at KU.

He is no great scholar.


But the point is that any law student could do the same thing, and crank out that opinion.

Um, no.

You missed the points again, Mr. Troll.

Joe Carter

Following the DI’s lead, various Christian blogs are accusing Judge Jones of plagiarism. See, for example, Agape Press, World Net Daily, and very sadly Evangelical Outpost. (EO is usually much better than this.)

Let me make it clear that I fully understand that the legal community does not consider this cut-and-paste job to be plagiarism. That in itself appears to be the problem. The real issue isn’t about ID or even about the ruling (neither are really affected by the DIs report). The issue is why we shrug at what Joe calls a “routine” procedure.

I’ve seen the blogosphere excoriate a bloggers for not crediting material to their original source. Yet when it is done by judges we find nothing wrong with it. Is this not bizarre? Why should judges be held to a lower ethical standard than a blogger?


Crediting?? A judge's opinion is not like a blog where we're passing on his creativity and/or insight. A judge's opinion is there to resolve the case, not to entertain or enlighten.

I submit and obtain findings of fact and conclusions of law routinely in my cases and judges routinely sign them without altering them. In fact, if I don't submit them, I will get in trouble. Hell, because most of my cases are the same, I don't even alter the findings of fact and conclusions of law that much between cases, just changing a few facts, names, dates of birth, and so on.

People who think he should have written his opinion from whole cloth are simply ignorant - one hundred percent clueless - about the way the legal system works and that it is for.

Larry Fafarman

I am much more disturbed by the lack of even-handedness than by the large amount of copying. Almost all of the opinion’s ID-as-science section came from the plaintiffs’ “opening” post-trial brief — “Plaintiffs’ Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law” — and consequently little or nothing ( I don’t know how much ) came from the other post-trial briefs: the defendants’ “opening” brief and the plaintiffs’ and defendants’ briefs that answered the opening briefs. An “opening” brief is obviously going to be very one-sided. Also, if the defendants’ arguments were really terrible, there was all the more reason to put them in the opinion in order to attack them.


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