Catholic Resources

UnApologetic Catholic Sites

  • Pat Mulcahey's Caritas Christi Urget Nos
    a Deacon discerns the priesthood and shares his journey with us. God bless him! May Christ's love impel us all to answer His Call.
  • Cafeteria Catholic
    Demostrating yet again that the Catholic Cafeteria is as spiritually filling as the othodox deli.
  • Bad Catholic
    A "Bad in Name Only" Catholic voices strong opinions
  • Dappled Things
    Priests are busy. Thankfully, some blog, unapologetically
  • Disputations
    Criticial thinking of the highest order from a Venn Master, demonstrating that reason is the most effective apologetics
  • Journey to Vatican III
    Rebecca Nappi, Theologian and Newpaper Columnist with rare insights
  • Flos Carmeli
    Discussions in a Carmelite Tradition
  • The Lesser of Two Weevils
    A zen Catholic studying Hebrew and finding God in quantum physics is sure to have interesting things to say!
  • Built on a Rock
    Commentary on ecumenical issues is unsurpassed.
  • Noli Irritare Leones
    Yet another thoughtful calm commentary on religion, Catholics, politics and the world written by a non-Catholic.
  • Catholic Sensibility
    A "peace"ful website by a sensible Catholic liturgist usually avoiding the Catholic blog fratricide
  • Real Live Preacher
    OK, OK, He's not even Catholic--But he's a model for the unapologetic Christian who evangelizes with the lure of a Cristian life well lived and observed, not the hammer of screaming apologetics hellfire and brimstone.
  • Open Book
    Most unapologetic site by a true apologetic Catholic in the best sense of the word
  • Catholicism, Spirituality and Holiness
    Thoughtful Catholic man combines family, career and faith.

Noteworthy Catholic and Religious Blogs

  • A Cautious Man
    Pointing out that we could all be a little more cautious in forming our instant internet opinions. Heed his advice.
  • Beanbag Central
    Capital "C" equals Catholic Chaos at aptly named site.
  • Catholic and Enjoying It!
    Intentionally apologetic, can be over the top outrageous, provocative, but freqently informative, thoughtful and spirtitual
  • Fath Based Politiics
    Politics informed by faith--backwards from the usual. Maybe two ii's are better after all.
  • Musings of An Ordinary Catholic
    Not so ordinary musings
  • Ragamuffin Ramblings
    Words of wisdom from the Windy City
  • Sancta Sanctis
    You cannot miss Chesterton Thursdays! Comprehensive list of Catholic websites and a beatiful site that lives up to its name.
  • St. Blog's Parish Hall
    Graciously maintained by a holy person, whose virtue must be patience, a lengthy list of Catholic blogs, both apologetic and unapologetic.
  • The Squire
    Running from the thought police, and he's got a long way to go.
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Lee

I think they did a terrible job of screening in the past.

What I'd like to see is how many of the priests ordained in lat 10 to 20 years - since the Church got stricter - have been involved. If the percent has dropped, good. if not, then we have further problems to address.

I'd also agree with the 1 percent figure - for the post 1985 priests.

Lee

Let me amend that - even if the number of bad priest does excede 1 percent, I don't think the Church would be too corrupt to continue. I forgot that part of the question.

I think that the men and women in the Church reflect the culture. ButI also think that no matter how bad it gets, the core of the faith as something created through the power of the Holy Spirit will remain. The institution itself may have to undergo transformation, however.

Now, is our culture too corrupt to continue...hmmm

jcecil3

UC,

Forgive the sentence fragments I am about to make....

I think a single case of child sex abuse is one too many.

But I don't like the way you frame the issue. We're supposed to weed out "the biggies". What exactly does that mean?

OK. I agree that axe murdering is a biggie. So is sex with a child by an adult.

Rape? Yeah. I'd call that a "biggie".

Cover up of sexual abuse?

Sure. That's a biggie.

Consensual sex between homosexual adults???

I don't always consider it "a biggie" in the sense you imply, but plenty of Catholics do.

And even if I don't always place it in the "biggie" category, I suppose I would be troubled by a priest having one night stands every night with crisco in one hand and meth in the other with a new guy picked up at the local leather bar each night.

Is the issue a "one time" fall into sin, or does it become a "biggie" when it is repeated over and over, or combined with other offensive behavior.

Cover up of gay sex?

Could be compassion rather than a biggie.

Consensual sex between heterosexual adults where one is male and one is female???

It's kind of like the question with gay priests. A one time occurence is one thing, while serial offenses might be another.

If a priest is keeping an extensive collection of porn, is that "a biggie"???

What about the priest who drinks too much?

The priest with a drug habit???

The priest who has a bit of the Irish temper????

What if he is a genuine bona fide heretic.....and I don't mean just holds a controversial opinion or two, but flat denies almost everything in the creeds and tries to offer animal sacrifices to the goddesses upon the altar while hooded adherents chant satanic verses?

I'm not real gung ho on the way conservatives hunt for heresy under every USCCB statement, but there has to be a line somewhere where we can say, "Whoa. That's not the faith of the Roman Catholic Church." Could heresy be "a biggie" if the heresy is "big" enough?

What if the priest embezzles money. That would seem to be "a biggie", and I'm told by many priests that people are less tolerant of finanical mismanagement than sexual impropriety by priests.

So, what if embezzlement is not the issue, but the priest is simply stupid when it comes to finances....he honestly loses thousands but never stole it. Is that "a biggie"?

The CCC says masturbation is a grave and intrinsically disordered act. I have a hard time believing that more than one percent of the priest haven't done this one. Is that "a biggie" ???

It is according to the Vatican.

And that is sort of where I am heading.

The way the Vatican sees it, "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."

There is not and never will be a perfect priest, other than the great high priest, Jesus Christ.

And there never will be a priest who hasn't done "a biggie".

Of course, what do we do when a priest commits "a biggie"?

Can some things, such as axe murder and child molesting, be soooo big that we kick the guy out?

Maybe so. But where exactly is the line. And, when we kick him out, does he cease to be a priest - theologically???

Augustine said "No. No matter if the priest is a great sinner or a heretic, the sacraments are still valid. Once a priest, always a priest. The laity need not be scrupulous about whether a sacrament is valid because of the lack of holiness of the priest."

Augustine was concerned with assuring those who received sacraments from the Donatist that the sacraments were still valid. He wasn't trying to defend priests who err. He was trying to reassure laity who discover their priest is not so holy.

Am I arguing that we throw up our hands and do nothing about sex abuse?

Really, I am not.

I think there are very serious reforms we need to make, and I am enraged that the bishops won't do what they know needs to be done. They drag their feet somehow hoping the hard work can be avoided because the issue will magically go away by itself. They're wrong. It won't go away by itself.

But part of what they need to do to make it better is "fess up" about ALL the biggies they have to deal with - about the full extent of the problems and issues.

They need to engage in honest dialogue willing to raise the hard questions - such as whether mandatory celibacy or the exclusion of women might be contributing factors to some of the "biggies" they face.

Only with information can we begin to seek solutions.

Do they need to share this information with the entire laity?

Maybe. Maybe not. The big issue is that they won't admit the full extent of the biggies they face to themselves - individually or collectively (and I've been behind the scenes to see the denial up close and personal).

I don't know if I am making any sense, but I think it oversimplifies the issue to label a certain action as "the biggie" and ignore all other aspects of the life-style in question.

The bishops may have something valid to say about forgiveness, compassion and pastoral care to the perpetrator of abuse.

However, if what they have to say does not protect children, it's the wrong solution. You are right that this is a biggie.

What the bishops may have a hard time grasping is why this is a bigger biggie than many other things they suspect are going on in the chanceries.

And the answer to that is not so much to start trying to explain why this is a bigger biggie, as to find out what else is occurring, and begin to sort through the mess identifying the "biggies" and the "not so big" and looking for what the underlying common institutional causes for this going on so long has been.

Then, seek changes to the institutional structure that discourage both the biggie itself, and the cover up.

I still don't know if I am making sense. Feedback?

Peace!

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